Traditional
Movements Are Non-Catholic Sects!
Posted
10-26-2010
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History of
Traditionalists
Who started the Traditional Movement?
Was it:
Father De Paw and the Catholic Traditional
Movement?
Bishop Francis S
Archbishop Thuc and
the many heads of the Thuc-line churches?
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX
church?
Bishop
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Most of the Traditionalist clerics trace their lineage of holy orders back to
1)
the Old Catholics, or
2) Archbishop Thuc,
or
3)
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
These
hundreds of Traditionalist clerics and sects are all connected because they all
come from one of the above three trunks of the separated churches.
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None of the Traditionalist bishops received a papal mandate.
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None of the Traditionalist clerics have ordinary or delegated
jurisdiction.
Nor have they received authority or a mission from the Church.
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Most of the Traditionalist clerics offer their Mass services in Latin.
* Traditionalists
follow the rules of their sect leader rather than the rules of the Church or a
particular religious order.
These
rules may pertain to style of governance, Church doctrine, various disciplines,
interpretation and application of canon law, the choice of liturgy, and rules
of religious bodies. Consequently there
is no unity among the various sects. For example, some
Traditionalists use the Mass prayers of Pope Saint Pius V, some groups such as
the Society of St. Pius X sect use the “liturgy” of
Traditionalist’s
are notorious for justifying their disparity with the Church and each other by
making statements to the effect that, “Canon
law is not for our times; canon law is only a norm for our guidance; epikeia saves our day and takes God’s unwanted laws away; epikeia allows us to do everything we do.”
Epikeia is heresy
An indulgent and benign interpretation of law, which regards a law as not
applying in a particular case because of circumstances unforeseen by the
lawmaker. The lawmaker cannot foresee all possible
cases that may come under the law, and it is therefore reasonably presumed that
were the present circumstances known to the legislator he would permit the act,
e.g., a mother presumes that she may miss Mass on Sunday when there is no one
present to care for her baby. Epikeia is not
permitted, however, no matter how grave the inconvenience, if violation of the
law would render an act null and void, e.g., to presume that marriage may be
contracted because of grave inconvenience in spite of an existing diriment
impediment.
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Many Traditionalist clerics have been accused of and are suspected of being
involved in homosexuality or other acts of immorality.
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Many Traditionalists were former members of the Novus Ordo or traditional
Protestant sects. However, most of them were not required to officially
profess the faith and abjure their non-Catholic errors.
* Traditionalist
clerics are confused on who is in the Church and who is not. Therefore,
they are not consistent on the Church’s requirement for the formal observance
of the abjuration of error and profession of faith prior to
* Many Traditionalist clerics show a special
favoritism or preferential treatment to certain members of their parish.
Especially has this been known to be the case if those members are wealthy!
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Traditionalist clerics often do whatever it takes to persuade, influence, and
convince parishioners to fix their Last Wills so that the cleric or
organization will receive an inheritance upon their deaths.
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Parishioner’s problems brought to the attention of certain Traditionalist
clerics are frequently ignored. Many
conscientious and caring parishioners who speak up against wrongs also risk
being severely rebuked, dismissed from employment, denounced from the pulpit,
expelled from the community, or threatened with eternal damnation!
* All Traditionalist groups
demonstrate cult-like characteristics. A number of
Traditionalist clerics are secretly – and some very openly – involved in mind
control, hypnotism, superstition, Satanism, Freemasonry,
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All of the Traditionalist clerics that I know belong to a separated church.
The Old Catholic branches of the Traditionalist clerics separated from the
Catholic Church to start their own church. The CMRI sect claims it
separated from the Old Catholics to start another separated church. CMRI
Traditionalist clerics separated from each other to start various
churches. A few stayed with Bishop S
Most of the CMRI
Traditionalist clerics who separated from Bishop S
The
Thuc-line sects separated into quite a variety of
separated branches of the Traditionalists. These include the Palmar de Troya branch, which
claimed Marian apparitions and proceeded to follow their own self-appointed
pope. The Palmar
de Troya church then separated into many
branches. Later Archbishop Thuc started the Cassiciacum
branches, which espouse the papa materialiter, non-formaliter ideology.
Other Thuc-line branches include both
Sedevacantists and non-Sedevacantists. A number of these have ties and
connections to the Old Catholics and Russian Orthodox churches. There is,
of course, the Mexican branch of the Traditionalist clerics, which again
separated itself into several more branches in
As you can see by all of the above, who can even
keep track of the many recently founded and separated churches that did not
exist before 1960? But no matter how often they separate,
divide, and make more churches with contrary beliefs, all of the Traditionalist clerics strongly claim that they carry on the
first mark of the Catholic Church – Unity! Do you agree that the only
unity there is among all of these separated churches is the fact that each and
every one of them is separated from the Catholic Church?
This next head, who calls
himself Pope Lucious Turtlemocker,
provides some examples of what a slick, efficient, and resourceful tool epikeia is for the Traditionalist monster. First off, epikeia
saves his day and takes God’s unwanted laws away, enough to allow him to be elected
pope by lay people who voted for him via the telephone and Internet from all
around the world. Following Pope Lucious Turtlemocker’s election
by the laity, he provided yet another good example of what epikeia
can do for the Traditionalists. His next
step was to use epikeia to allow him to consecrate
one of those who elected him. Why would epikeia be necessary for this consecration you ask? Because Pope Lucious
Turtlemocker was still only a priest, without the episcopal powers necessary to consecrate a bishop. Next, someone will surely ask if they again
used epikeia when this newly elected bishop returned
the ‘episcopal powers’ to Pope Lucious
Turtlemocker by consecrating him.
As was expected, all of the
other heads of the monster are screaming and yelling at the new pope, “We will not accept you as our pope!” Pope Lucious Turtlemocker asks, “Why
not?” “Can
you show us your line of Apostolic
Succession back to Saint Peter?” But
Pope Lucious Turtlemocker’s
apostolic succession only started and ended immediately with the bishop he just
consecrated! Pope Lucious
Turtlemocker retorts, “Shut up, and just accept me as your pope! Why do you ask
such an embarrassing question?
Don’t you know we live in extraordinary times, and therefore epikeia saves the day and takes all unwanted laws away?”
This Traditionalist monster
has so many heads that yet another one, speaks out to make his
own case for authority,
“I
solemnly condemn everyone else who claims to be the pope! None of you could have been validly elected
because I already proclaimed myself Supreme Pontiff the very day that Paul VI
died.”
But the head of the first
Traditional Movement sect in
“Heretic,
I’ve got you beat! I was crowned
pope by the Holy Mother of God Herself when She
appeared to me.”
Another haughty head of the
Traditionalist monster bangs his head against all the others and pronounces,
“There
are only three Catholic bishops left in the whole world, and two of them came
from ME! Two of us live in New York, and
the other one resides in Mexico. You must all swear
immediate obedience to me or else be damned!”
But
the other heads snap back,
“Does
that make you the First See, since you are the oldest and claim all the other
bishops in the whole world come from you? If you are the one and only, what happened
to the head that made you a bishop?”
The
ninth head angrily replies with annoyance:
“He
and all of those associated with him left the Church because they associated
with my Feeneyite Vicar General. How
dare
you question my authority you disobedient devils!”
Yet other heads of the
monster speak out in response:
“When you three Catholic bishops
decide to elect a new pope, put our names in the hat. Your line of succession comes from Archbishop
Thuc, the same as ours. We are from the lines that went over to the
Old Catholic sect. We’re not the first
women bishops found in the Old Catholic sect, but we are part of them now
thanks to Archbishop Thuc. Just because we are females doesn’t mean we
shouldn’t qualify to be the next pope.
After all, we qualified to be Thuc-line
bishops. If you don’t like the idea of
women priests, bishops, and pope you better realize you’re living in the age of
Woman’s Rights!”
Rev. Anthony Cekada predicted in his article, “Two Bishops in Every
Garage,” that the multitude of
heads connected to the monster from the many Thuc-line
branches would eventually unite to elect their own pope. But his prediction made 27 years ago has not
yet come true. Many of the
Traditionalists have been asking, “Why has such an important election not taken place?” After
all, Rev. Cekada did one of those 180-degree
flip-flops that often take place in the monster church. As he flipped, he changed positions, as with
many other Traditionalist clerics, they are now frequently seen biting and
fighting with their former head who ordained them. The laity continues to ask,
“Why haven’t these Thuc-line bishops elected a
pope, since Rev. Anthony Cekada says they are all
valid?” Yes, even Rev. Cekada
now defends the validity of these rogue and rascal bishops that can be found “in every garage.”
But
each one of the many heads of the monster unanimously answers: “Who needs a pope, I am the
authority! I function as the pope with universal
jurisdiction and go wherever I choose to go on earth. I am the one who makes the laws!” Yes,
each head of the monster makes their own laws even while they break, disregard,
and ignore many of the canon laws of the Church.
There
are many other heads that make up this monster, and year after year more
appear. Everyone who has observed this
monster sees these numerous heads butting together and biting at each other as
they carry on in disunity, chaos, and madness.
However, the only time these heads do unite and work together is when
they gang up against another head that finally sees the scary monster for what
it is, and who has the sincerity to say the following:
“We all know that if the Church ever has another truly elected
pope, he will take away our universal ‘jurisdiction’, liberties, and freedoms
that we all enjoy so much. The scary
truth of why we are not united in the faith, and why we make little effort to
elect a true pope is because the many heads of this non-Catholic monster are
not even qualified, capable, or eligible to elect a pope. The second scary reason we would not elect a
pope even if we could, is because he would have to side with the true popes of
the Church. Any real Vicar of Jesus
Christ would be like Pope Pius VI, and proclaim and declare all of us heads who
make up this scary monster sect to be intruder, non-Catholic priests, bishops,
and pontiffs.”
What do you think the
answers would be if you asked all of the members of the Traditionalists who make up
this scary monster:
“To what church does your family belong?”
If you asked
Ask the members of the Traditionalist monster who founded the
Traditional Movement? Did this monster
start with one, two, or three heads? Was
it Archbishop Thuc or Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre or
both of them or neither of them? If you
choose one or both of these Archbishops, can you tell me the year they started
the Traditional Movement? If it was
either of them then why did Bishop S
Who belonged to the
Mormon sect before 1830? Nobody, because
it did not exist! I think it has millions of members now, and a
number of them were former Catholics.
But do you agree that not one member of the Mormon sect is a member of
the true Church Jesus Christ founded?
Can you name even one person who belonged to the non-Catholic
Lutheran church before 1500? Do you
agree that there were many baptized Catholics who became members of the new
religion Luther started a few years later?
Do you agree that some of those Catholics in Father Martin Luther’s
parish just stayed with him when he broke away from the Church? Do you agree that they all left the Catholic
Church by being members of a new,
recently founded sect? How long did they
remain members of the Catholic Church?
Did you know they still called themselves Catholics and not Lutherans for about 100 years? Can you count the number of new heads of the
Protestant monster that was started by Luther?
Who belonged to
the Traditional Movement before 1960? Do you see history repeating itself?
There are millions of martyrs and canonized saints in the Catholic
Church. Can you name even one of them
that belonged to the Traditional Movement?
Do I believe Jesus Christ founded the Traditional Movement? No!
Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church about 2,000 years ago. I have not heard of anyone who was a member
of the Traditional Movement monster before 1960, because it did not exist 50
years ago. Do you agree that it is
impossible for any one of the separated branches of this multi-headed
Traditionalists monster to be the Catholic Church?
How can any Catholic convince himself that such a monster is the
Bride of Jesus Christ reflecting His Oneness, Goodness, Truth, and Beauty? The Traditionalists do not even have the same
Mass, sacraments, and liturgy! Nor are they in communion with one
another. Not one of them by itself, or all of them together, possesses
the Four Marks of the Church.
All Authority Comes from Peter
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Traditionalist clerics function as if they have spiritual authority in the
Church. For that reason they reject the truth that: “All spiritual authority comes from Peter.”
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Traditionalists reject the truth
that, “The Apostolic See is the sole source of
legitimate power,” and that unless a bishop
received a papal mandate and jurisdiction through a Vicar of Jesus Christ, he does
not have legitimate power.
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No Traditionalist accepts the truth
explained by Dom Guéranger: “We, then, both priests and
people, have a right to know whence our pastors have received their
power. If they claim our obedience without having been sent by the bishop
of
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Traditionalists are a conglomerate, rolled together concoction of chaotic,
disorganized, incompetent, uncontrollable, unmanageable, unruly, and
disobedient groups of separated non-Catholic sects, divisions, and factions who
continue to manifest their quarrelsome, argumentative, competitive, jealous,
and challenging attitudes toward each other.
The power of jurisdiction
does not pass on from bishop to bishop.
This power of jurisdiction flows to the bishops only through the
Successor of Saint Peter, and without it Apostolic Succession does not
pass from one Catholic bishop to all the bishops he consecrates.
Listen to Pope Leo XIII as we again read from Satis Cognitum:
“14. It
is necessary, therefore, to bear this in mind, viz., that nothing was
conferred on the Apostles apart from Peter, but that several things were
conferred upon Peter apart from the Apostles… whatever He did not deny to the
others he gave only through him. So that whereas Peter alone received many things, He conferred nothing
on any of the rest without Peter participating in it.”
The Unity of the Church would be destroyed if all of the
intruder, schismatic, and heretical bishops who received their consecration
without Peter participating in it actually passed on Apostolic Succession? Would there be as many non-Catholic branches
still claiming to be Catholics as there have been bishops who were separated
from the Catholic Church these past 2,000 years?
All such
consecrations are illicit and received outside of the Catholic Church unless
Peter participates in them? It is only
if Peter participates in their consecration that bishops will receive
jurisdiction and have what is necessary to pass on Apostolic Succession? None of the Traditionalists bishops coming
from the Old Catholic-line, the Thuc-line, or the
Lefebvre-line had Peter participate in their consecration?
Always remember an important truth Pope Pius XII wrote in
this encyclical:
“The power of
jurisdiction… flows to the bishops… only through the Successor of Saint Peter.”
Although many of
those who started the schisms and heresies condemned by the Catholic Church
were first Catholic bishops, their newly formed schismatic sects were without
jurisdiction, and therefore they did not have the ability to pass on Apostolic
Succession.
Always remember these important facts:
1st fact: Bishops who do not hold spiritual
powers from the pope are intruded or schismatic
bishops. (See Exposition of Christian Doctrine, as quoted above on page 17).
2nd fact: Not one of the Traditionalist clerics holds his spiritual powers from the
pope, and therefore they are in schism
according to the unchangeable teaching of the Catholic Church.
3rd fact: Pope Pius XII wrote in Mystici Corporis Christi:
“For not every sin, however grave it may be,
is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church, as
does schism or heresy or apostasy.”
4th fact: Bishops in schism, heresy, or apostasy cannot pass on Apostolic Succession,
although it is possible for some of them to pass on valid orders.
5th fact: Not one cleric in the Traditional
Movement has ordinary jurisdiction because: “This power of jurisdiction flows to the bishops only through the
Successor of Saint Peter.” Epikeia is not an act of jurisdiction, and epikeia cannot be used to obtain jurisdiction. “Even if valid orders exist, where jurisdiction is lacking there is
no real Apostolic Succession.” Therefore, the Traditional Movement is a
non-Catholic sect!